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Post by Rajiv on Aug 1, 2010 15:38:54 GMT 8
This thread currently deals with the above subject matter. Announcements and developments relating to the subject matter are posted below. Go to the last page (by clicking the largest number to the left of "NEXT >>" above) for the latest announcement/development. As the subject matter has been modified from time to time, as described in various posts below, any given post may not fall squarely within the subject matter. As at 17 February 2014, this first post on this thread was: Late withdrawals have become more frequent over the course of this year, although they are less of a problem than they used to be as we sometimes already have reserves, or we are able to find replacements more readily as we have a bigger pool of players. However, late withdrawals have badly affected two games in the past year: I have included in the sticky thread on the Schedule board a statement - "Please avoid late withdrawals, especially withdrawals on the day of the game itself." |
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Post by Rajiv on Aug 26, 2010 21:58:03 GMT 8
There have been withdrawals after 8 pm for both games at Sports Planet this week - Tuesday and today. Both times, we had players in reserve, but because the withdrawal was so late, the reserves either couldn't be contacted or couldn't make it. For weeknight games, any withdrawal after 6 pm on the day of the game is late. After 7 pm is very late. After 8 pm is impossibly late - It's impossible to get a replacement at that stage. I'm looking at a system of prepayment to deal with late withdrawals. |
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Post by Rajiv on Sept 15, 2010 18:02:51 GMT 8
Of course, no shows are even worse. Further, if you put someone else's name down for them, you are responsible for them turning up, and on time. It is advisable that you SMS the person earlier in the day of the game to remind them. Everyone who has played regularly should know the system, and ideally, should register and put their own name down for games. I sometimes put names down for others. I do that to make sure that all the places for a game are filled up, or if they specifically SMS me to ask to play in a particular game. If I ask them, I don't mind putting their name down for them, as in a way, they are doing me a favour by filling up the remaining places, but for those who ask me to put their name down for them, it is additional work for me. In both cases, I SMS them on the day of the game to remind them. For now, requiring the player who put the name of the late withdrawal or no show down to pay an extra share to cover the late withdrawal or no show may be counter-productive. Further, what if the late withdrawal or no show put his own name down? How do you collect his share? Or do we just not allow him to play the following week or for a few weeks? You may end up with fewer players for future games, and I will cancel games if we are very short of players the day before the game, so the only real consequence is that it increases the risk of a future game being cancelled. A system of prepayment may well deal with the above issues. However, I'm not looking at introducing it before the end of the year. As for games with a player short, if I am there, I ask around to try to find an additional player. I'll even try the staff. I don't know if anyone tries to do so when I'm not there. Whatever the case, anyone who we find to fill in can't be expected to pay. If we can't get anyone, then we need to modify the rules. Based on past experience, suitable modification of the rules works. |
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Post by Rajiv on Oct 11, 2010 12:39:28 GMT 8
... Erik called me shortly before the game was due to start yesterday to say Ken was overseas, and he thought Ken's name had been removed. Unfortunately, Ken's name had not been removed (probably a miscommunication between Erik and Ken), and it was far too late to find a replacement. ... Erik put Ken's name down for him last Monday. Ken registered as a member on Tuesday, presumably in order to remove his name. Unfortunately, neither of them removed Ken's name. In such circumstances, the side with the extra player should at the very least be restricted in where they can score from (say, from within the D or an imaginary line running through the penalty spot. |
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Post by Rajiv on Oct 29, 2010 21:33:04 GMT 8
Still too many no-shows. I am considering the options until a system of prepayment is introduced. One option is that unless the player who fails to show up (or withdraws late) has a good reason, he can only be in reserve for the next two or three weeks.
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Post by Rajiv on Nov 8, 2010 10:02:55 GMT 8
Andre finally SMSed me yesterday to say he had left his handphone in the wash!
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Post by Rajiv on Nov 15, 2010 9:14:39 GMT 8
.... I am considering the options until a system of prepayment is introduced. One option is that unless the player who fails to show up (or withdraws late) has a good reason, he can only be in reserve for the next two or three weeks. We've had late withdrawals or no shows for 3 of the 6 games over the past week. I think I'll introduce prepayment sooner rather than later. |
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Post by Raj Singh on Nov 16, 2010 10:01:09 GMT 8
.... I am considering the options until a system of prepayment is introduced. One option is that unless the player who fails to show up (or withdraws late) has a good reason, he can only be in reserve for the next two or three weeks. We've had late withdrawals or no shows for 3 of the 6 games over the past week. I think I'll introduce prepayment sooner rather than later. Giro Maybe |
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Post by Rajiv on Jan 27, 2011 14:06:03 GMT 8
For now, I will not make any deductions for late withdrawals unless the withdrawal is very late (after 6 pm) and the same player has withdrawn late more than a couple of times recently. I haven't made any deductions for late withdrawals so far, and I do not see myself doing so anytime soon. |
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Post by Rajiv on Feb 17, 2011 8:23:58 GMT 8
.... Before the game, Julius informed me that David M had informed him that he couldn't make the game as he was on call, and that he had asked David to inform me, but he hadn't. Anyway, David M didn't turn up. ... I won't deduct anything from David's credit for what is technically a no-show. In any event, I couldn't get anyone else before the game, which was why I switched from Thursday to Wednesday. When I do start making deductions, it will be for no-shows.  At least late withdrawals make the effort to inform me before the game that they can't make it, even if it is late. |
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Post by Rajiv on Feb 17, 2011 22:07:49 GMT 8
.... If there is a withdrawal, and we can't get a replacement, try to find a player at the venue itself. Anyone who fills in at the venue itself plays for free. ... This is an issue that arises from time to time with late withdrawals. This is one way to deal with it. However: .... It works best with prepayment, for with prepayment the amount that those who actually turn up have to pay is unaffected. Without prepayment, the cost of the pitch is divided by those who turn up, and with one less player, the amount paid by the the rest is higher. |
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Post by Rajiv on Feb 24, 2011 22:32:07 GMT 8
... no show by Jon, .... I tried calling Jon several times between 9 and 9.30 am, but there was no reply. At about 9.35 pm, I got another player, Gilman, to join Reds. .... Gilman played for free. I'm surprised at Jon's no show, as he has previously expressed concern about no shows and late withdrawals: White was handicapped due to last minute no show from Jordan .... ... hope to see less last minute drop outs.... and ... hopefully there'll be lesser last minute pull outs.... A real pity this time, as there were 4 reserves. |
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Post by Rajiv on Apr 20, 2011 23:46:00 GMT 8
Reminder: ..., SMS me as well [as posting on the thread] if there are any changes after the proposed line ups are up. .... and ..., if anyone withdraws after the suggested line ups are up, please SMS me in addition to posting on the thread. .... |
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Post by Elvin on Apr 21, 2011 17:01:17 GMT 8
Reminder: ..., SMS me as well [as posting on the thread] if there are any changes after the proposed line ups are up. .... and ..., if anyone withdraws after the suggested line ups are up, please SMS me in addition to posting on the thread. .... Rajiv, I suggest we make the ppl who doesnt show up pay for the game. Collect the money for the no show game fm them upfront the next time they wish to play. Then for the game they are playing in, they just pay as per normal. and for those that dont show up for 2 games, dont allow them to play anymore cos it just shows a lack of responsibility. All it takes is a phone call or sms to inform you or someone. |
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Post by Rajiv on Apr 23, 2011 13:00:38 GMT 8
There are currently several variables: * How late the withdrawal is. I suggest the line ups about 4 to 5 hours before the game, and its easier to manage if the withdrawal is before the suggested line ups go up, than after. If it is less than 2 or 3 hours before the game, it is almost impossible to find a replacement. * Whether there is a reserve available. Even then, if the withdrawal is too late, the reserve may have made other plans in the meantime. * The reasons for the late withdrawal. For weeknight games, urgent matters at work sometimes can't be avoided. If it illness or injury, I would expect the player to know much earlier in the day (if not before the day of the game) and to withdraw early if he cannot confirm his participation. It will be very rare for illness or injury to crop up just a few hours before the game. Also, repeated late withdrawals due to work suggests there is insufficient commitment to turn up for the game by trying to make suitable arrangements at work. Once prepayment is introduced for all games, it will be easier to implement a comprehensive system to deal with late withdrawals. With prepayment, I bear the cost risk of late withdrawals or no shows, not the other players. |
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Post by Rajiv on Apr 23, 2011 13:02:13 GMT 8
I've moved Elvin's post to a new thread to allow for a broader discussion. In the meantime, the current position is as follows: There are currently several variables: * How late the withdrawal is. I suggest the line ups about 4 to 5 hours before the game, and its easier to manage if the withdrawal is before the suggested line ups go up, than after. If it is less than 2 or 3 hours before the game, it is almost impossible to find a replacement. * Whether there is a reserve available. Even then, if the withdrawal is too late, the reserve may have made other plans in the meantime. * The reasons for the late withdrawal. For weeknight games, urgent matters at work sometimes can't be avoided. If it illness or injury, I would expect the player to know much earlier in the day (if not before the day of the game) and to withdraw early if he cannot confirm his participation. It will be very rare for illness or injury to crop up just a few hours before the game. Also, repeated late withdrawals due to work suggests there is insufficient commitment to turn up for the game by trying to make suitable arrangements at work. Once prepayment is introduced for all games, it will be easier to implement a comprehensive system to deal with late withdrawals. With prepayment, I bear the cost risk of late withdrawals or no shows, not the other players.
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Post by Rajiv on Apr 29, 2011 10:19:29 GMT 8
Most players are punctual, but there are several players who often arrive late. Not only can it cause confusion with the line ups, it is disruptive to the side that has to start a player short. It is often the case that the side that is a player short manages to hold out (usually under modified rules), but when the latecomer arrives, his side quickly concede a goal or more, before regaining their shape and coming back into the game. For a while, I used to stipulate the time slot as 4.45 pm to 6 pm (for weekend games) and 8.45 pm to 10 pm (for weeknight games) to try to ensure that players arrive on time, but I stopped doing so. .... I would rather not have to resume the practice. We are all responsible adults here right, capable of being punctual without having to factor 10 to 15 minutes beforehand into the time slot. Everyone, please aim to arrive 10 to 15 minutes before the designated start time. As stated in each schedule thread: |
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Post by Rajiv on May 14, 2011 16:51:59 GMT 8
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Post by Rajiv on May 16, 2011 12:55:36 GMT 8
.... Late withdrawals and no shows don't occur often, and will be further addressed by prepayment. The available place can be offered to anyone at the venue (for example, a player from an earlier game) for free. With prepayment, the other players don't have to bear the additional cost. .... |
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Post by Raj Singh on May 16, 2011 13:21:48 GMT 8
I Suggest 3 months Jail terms Or / And Fine with 13 or 15 strokes of canning depending if we played 7 or 8 aside on that day. |
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Late withdrawals have become more frequent over the course of this year, although they are less of a problem than they used to be as we sometimes already have reserves, or we are able to find replacements more readily as we have a bigger pool of players.
