I took the plunge at coming up with the lineups for the evening.
On paper, I thought the teams were fairly even - although Stan thought Whites would slaughter Reds.
Ferguson and Bo were largely unknown players so I paired them against each other, along with the people who brought them: Neil and Jeff respectively.
The after I tried my best to match like for like.
I thought the game was quite balanced. Although final score was 8-6 or 9-6 to the Whites, I don't think by any means was it a walk-over or slaughter.
Whites took an early lead 4-0, and Rai offed to swap with Glenn. reds declined the gesture. That might have sparked them to life and I think they fought back and the score was 6-5 to the Reds at one point in time even!
Whites went down to 6 men as Chen Hong had to leave earlier. Perhaps Reds tired out, and the 6 men Whites decided to up their game to make up for the shortfall. Whites managed to claw their way into a lead. Game probably ended with Whites winning by 2 or 3 goals.
A note on swaps: in general I don't think the struggling team would like to swap players midway. I've been on the end of those too. I reckon it's a pride thing, nothing wrong with that. My point is that perhaps effort needs to be made ore-game to make sure teams are balanced - at least on paper to the best of our knowledge. This will require more input from players prior to the game where practically possible.
Fergus and Bo are more attacking players, but poles apart in style of play.
Ferguson is an energizer bunny who's just come to Singapore in the last 6 months, and tells me he is still getting used to our climate. I think most would agree that we'd fear the day he finally acclimatizes to Singapore's weather because this bloke was full of running!!
Bo is a more close control, precision player who takes his time on the ball. More of the playmaker sort, compared to Fergus who plays like Kanchelskis....
Last Edit: Jan 17, 2012 23:51:34 GMT 8 by Kelvin Au
I think Kelvin tried his best at the lineup as there were a few unknown factors but i would hope the players involved be more vocal with feedbacks and try to pull the pride issue aside and do the swap as and when necessary so that the game will be more balanced and everyone can have a good workout and game. Its not the first time i tried to take the initiative (only bcos i know of players that stay away from playing again bcos of this reason) and got rejected .. after awhile i probably wont bother again.
Lastly i hope there would be a bit more rotational of positions during the game from both side so some of the players (esp the less skillful ones) can have a taste of playing in other positions. Most of the time they always end up playing in defence or in goal all game. Its only thro trying and effort that everyone of us can improve together and eventually make the game more enjoyable. Sometimes the score line and winning is not all that matters... at least for me
Everyone has different style and standards .. it would be great if we happen to be teamed with the right players .. but if not we can still try to make the game enjoyable by playing in the right spirit.
My 1 cent worth of feedback after 2 yrs playing with GIFFA
I advise that line ups not be posted on the message board until both players have agreed on the line ups. Once the line ups are up, there is a reluctance on the part of the other player to propose any changes. In order to reach agreement, a simple phone call would do. I'll provide phone numbers for this purpose.
... i would hope the players involved be more vocal with feedbacks and try to pull the pride issue aside and do the swap as and when necessary so that the game will be more balanced and everyone can have a good workout and game. Its not the first time i tried to take the initiative (only bcos i know of players that stay away from playing again bcos of this reason) and got rejected .. after awhile i probably wont bother again..
There is only so much we can do Rai. Swaps have become very rare, which increases the pressure on those doing the line ups to get it right. Having two players (one from each side) agree on the line ups shares the responsibility, and reduces the burden.
Reading the comments above prompted me to say a few sentence; just for your thoughts.
The word "pride" issue might not be that appropriate as it might not be applicable to all, at least not me.
For course, having a "balanced" team is ideal which would probably leading to a more enjoyable game. But bear in mind, these might not be the reality. We can come out with the most balanced team on paper but result might also turned out otherwise as well. So sometimes, it more not be worthwhile to spend much time determing pre-line ups. But of course, we should do our best to form both team being balanced from all inputs.
And noting that there are 14 players on the pitch with all different expectations; e.g. some players are more competitive in nature, while some are more social kind of players.
Personally, line-ups do not matter that me as i know it's not a easy job to assign team and I respect all decision Rajvi has, even other arrangments would suit me fine as well.
Even I'm on the losing side. E.g. 0-5, I'm pefectly fine with it. I go to games to have a workout and kick some balls, making friends, and head home safe. But others might feel different. I've seen in some of my company's social futsal games. Players getting frustrated on the losing side, dangerous plays, sliding tackles, etc. These are not easily controllable factors as we are all unique humans and there's nothing wrong about that. We just to have to accept the way it is.
So in short, it really comes from a perspective of a player.
Regarding postion rotation, I do agree to a certain extent it's a good suggestion. But it boils down to indvidual again and team. Players might want to play in position that they are naturally better in, hopefully, better contribute to the team's overall strength.
Post by Jeff Salleh on Jan 18, 2012 12:52:22 GMT 8
Yesterday, I would have taken or asked for the swaps if reds were to fall to another 2 goals behind or so, but I saw that reds were just a bit out of position (i saw a few time Jin Xian and Bo at the same flanks, etc) and also that reds started with 6 initially. Then a few other players actually stepped up very well - Glenn T, Jin Xian, Stan and reds came back decently and gave a nice game at the end.
Another approach that I am thinking is that since we have more than 50% regular players, we can put the regular players in 2 different teams and play them for the whole month. We then add the non-regulars to these two different teams.
Advantages: 1) We only need to deal with the non-regulars when we set up the line-up. 2) Teams will get use to team-members play easily and positioning can be resolved / goal keeping duties / etc. 3) Team can then review the regulars and move them around if necessary after games to keep it fresh 4) we can do home/away leg kind of thing and keep the score for 2 games / 4 games. Loser by H2O drinks for winners after 2 legs etc.
Disadvantage: 1) You might be sick of your team members.
If you guys willing to give it a shot, then we can start next 2 Tuesdays (I assume no one will play on the second day of CNY)