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Post by Jessen on Dec 27, 2012 2:35:47 GMT 8
I beg to differ... not everyone owns a size 4 ball. We just use whatever Khalsa can provide.
I enjoy the game both with a size 4 or 5. Are we looking too much into this?
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Post by Kelvin Au on May 12, 2013 13:47:42 GMT 8
We debated on the use of ball at Khalsa on 9 May 2013. I brought a low bounce size 4, and a normal size - people who know me know I come early and stay behind late to practice with a size 5, for my weekend 11-side games. I did not bring it for the 7 side games we have. There's a reason for using low bounce in a smaller court. It's a smaller playing field, which requires closer control and lower passing, which is what futsal is meant to be. The size 5 causes pin-ball type bouncing between the congested players - and actually increases the chances of getting injured (for those of you who are worried about that). More often than not, I see players struggling to cope with the close control, and cope with the long range passes which the size 5 encourages. Ironically those who insisted on the size 5 on Thursday night had the most problems controlling the ball in my honest humble opinion, which baffles me somewhat. It just disrupts the flow/momentum of play, as the balls are played to the line, and not the net - leading to lots of stoppages. Baffling  I know it's a provocative post, which is sure to draw lots of flak - oh well. |
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Post by Rajiv on May 12, 2013 16:25:35 GMT 8
Firstly: Amongst other things, futsal is played on a hard court, not on astro turf. From Wikipedia: All our games, whether 4, 5, 6, 7 or 8-a-side, are played on astro turf. Although we do consider futsal rules, we have actually developed our own rules. That's why I stick with generic indoor football. My first views on the type of ball, back in July 2009: Since then, I've come to realise I need to be more practical. .... We've also discussed the kind of ball we use, both on the old blog (first on 13 July 2009) and again on the message board, under the "Safety" thread. The main consideration then was safety. However, as a majority of our games are now on uncovered pitches, ball control in wet conditions is a significant factor. The smaller, reduced bounce, futsal would appear to be better for control in wet conditions, , and are available at Sports Planet. ..... .... The size-4 reduced bounce futsal ball is easier to control, especially in wet weather. The normal size-5 ball is harder to control. When players are closer together on a smaller pitch, control is a bigger factor. With the variety of players we have, the reduced bounce ball does level the playing field to some extent, and does allow for the game to flow better. The normal ball is also better for long range shooting. After the game on Wednesday (8 May 2013), Jon Soh told me he prefers the normal ball, which of course, suits his game. In practice, we use what is available: .... Jye usually brings a size-4 reduced bounce ball for the Saturday games at Turf City. As he didn't have one for today, he asked on the WhatsApp group chat if anyone else had one. Foo Cheong said he would bring his. We could try to standardize all our games with a size-4 reduced bounce ball. However, only Sports Planet @ East Coast provide such a ball. All our other regulars venues only provide standard size-5 balls. To standardize all our games with a size-4 reduced bounce ball would either require a player bringing such a ball for every game, or arranging with our regular venues to make such a ball available for our games. As players come and go, and the personnel for a game changes from week to week, relying on players to bring the requisite ball may not work. .... .... So generally, we have: * reduced bounce size 4 futsal at The Grandstand and East Coast. * standard football at Kallang and Khalsa, except where a player brings a futsal and insists on using it. A standard size-4 ball might be a good compromise, but players see it as a kids' ball, and don't like using it. Although a futsal is also size 4, it is seen as being used by adults. Where more than one type of ball is available at a game, I'm happy to go with the majority view. |
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Post by Rajiv on Feb 18, 2014 9:50:01 GMT 8
Previously, on balls: .... In practice, we use what is available: .... ... generally, we have: * reduced bounce size 4 futsal at The Grandstand and East Coast. * standard football at Kallang and Khalsa, except where a player brings a futsal and insists on using it. A standard size-4 ball might be a good compromise, but players see it as a kids' ball, and don't like using it. Although a futsal is also size 4, it is seen as being used by adults. Where more than one type of ball is available at a game, I'm happy to go with the majority view. And now under the "Equipment" section of the GIFFA System: .... Balls are provided at the venue. However, the quality of the ball provided may vary greatly. It is preferable if team selectors can bring or arrange for one of the players to bring a ball. Our preference is for a reduced bounce ball, but an ordinary size-5 ball will do. .... And from the report thread for the game last night (Monday) at East Coast: ... the players outlasted the ball. .... The ball was the talking point of the game. Our usual favourite yellow ball was somewhat deflated - we attempted to switch to a couple of other balls but those felt like beach balls and we reverted to the yellow ball which by the end of the game could have stuck to your sweaty jersey if you attempted to chest it! Perhaps that did affect the standard of passing during the night. .... .... Pity about the ball which spoiled the game a bit .... I'm working on an idea to resolve the issue of balls. If a ball brought by a player is used up to the end of a game, that player will be given a $1 credit for the first 35 games with that ball. The aim is to encourage as many players as possible to bring their own ball to our games. The players at the game can indicate their preference, and the two team selectors/captains will decide which ball is used. If the choice doesn't work well, they can change to any other ball that is available. I believe balls are still around $30 each. If a player's ball is used 35 times in this way, he gets $35 credit, which should cover the cost of the ball, and put him into credit. He can also use the ball in other games that he plays. Hopefully, it works to overcome the following obstacle: .... As players come and go, and the personnel for a game changes from week to week, relying on players to bring the requisite ball may not work. .... .... I'll put up a poll on the Stand-Alone Polls board as to the preferred type of ball. If we can standardize the type of ball across all our games, that would be good. However, it also works fine if the type of ball is decided game by game. |
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Post by Foo Cheong on Feb 18, 2014 10:01:11 GMT 8
Have been bringing a size 4 reduced bounce ball for my games since Oct 2011. The first ball (Mitre) cost $27 in Oct 2011 and the second ball (Adidas) cost $28 in Aug 2012. The second ball is still in use, so that is more than 50 games.
Those who bought balls and bring them along for the game are probably the ones who do not like the game to be spoiled by a poor quality ball or a bouncy size 5 ball. The cost of a ball is cheap compared with the cost of a pair of boots (and players are inclined to pay premium for top-of-the-range or latest models) or the cost of a game. $28 is money well-spent, it can be "recouped" by sitting out just two games (injuries or unavailability) or buying a cheaper pair of boots.
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Post by Rajiv on Mar 2, 2014 13:57:37 GMT 8
From above: .... I'll put up a poll on the Stand-Alone Polls board as to the preferred type of ball. If we can standardize the type of ball across all our games, that would be good. However, it also works fine if the type of ball is decided game by game. The poll has been up for 12 days now, but only 1 vote so far, in favour of leaving it to the 2 team selectors/captains to decide. I think we can leave it to the two team selectors/captains. I'll lock the poll. Currently, under the "Equipment" section of the GIFFA System thread: .... Balls are provided at the venue. However, the quality of the ball provided may vary greatly. It is preferable if team selectors can bring or arrange for one of the players to bring a ball. Our preference is for a reduced bounce ball, but an ordinary size-5 ball will do. .... However, also from above: .... I'm working on an idea to resolve the issue of balls. If a ball brought by a player is used up to the end of a game, that player will be given a $1 credit for the first 35 games with that ball. The aim is to encourage as many players as possible to bring their own ball to our games. The players at the game can indicate their preference, and the two team selectors/captains will decide which ball is used. If the choice doesn't work well, they can change to any other ball that is available. I believe balls are still around $30 each. If a player's ball is used 35 times in this way, he gets $35 credit, which should cover the cost of the ball, and put him into credit. He can also use the ball in other games that he plays. Hopefully, it works to overcome the following obstacle: .... As players come and go, and the personnel for a game changes from week to week, relying on players to bring the requisite ball may not work. .... .... .... I think it's practical enough, so I will implement it from the next game to be scheduled. To claim the $1 credit, the player's ball must be in use at the end of the game, and must be reported on the report thread for that game. From the "GIFFA system & playing rules" thread: .... I've moved the rules on footwear from the Playing Rules & Principles thread to the "Equipment" section of GIFFA System thread. It also covers tops, balls and other equipment. The rules on footwear which were moved are as follows: .... As all our games are played on astro turf, if you play regularly, you should get a pair of astro shoes, like these:
 Exceptions: i. For the covered pitches at The Grandstand and Kallang, if you don't have a pair of astro shoes, use flat soled shoes (for hard court), or even trainers (basketball or running). If you are new or irregular and don't even have flat soled shoes or trainers (hard to believe, but I'll take your word for it), you may, as a one-off exception, use boots with soft plastic blades or small studs. ii. For the uncovered pitches at Khalsa and East Coast, if you don't have a pair of astro shoes, you can use boots with soft plastic blades or small studs, as flat soled shoes or trainers are not suitable when the pitch is wet. .... Looking forward, I may try to tie up with a manufacturer or wholesaler to provide astro shoes at a discount. Also under the "Equipment" section of the GIFFA System thread: .... You should also have both a white top and a red top. .... Gloves (for taking turns in goal) and shin pads, are optional. If you wear glasses, have a strap to keep your glasses in place, or consider sports goggles. From the "OPSAGE" thread: .... ..., I am also considering the following for this year:
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If I can get it going this year, that would be good, otherwise, next year. From the "Safety, health & sustainability" thread: Protective goggles were first raised by Look Liew on the old FIOFAFI blog as long ago as 3 July 2008! As this thread is now more about equipment generally, rather than standardizing equipment specifically, I will re-name it accordingly. |
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Post by Rajiv on Jun 22, 2014 12:34:02 GMT 8
From the report thread for the game on Sunday, 25 May 2014, at The Grandstand: .... .... .... Apologies to Dev for stepping on his foot. Were you wearing blades? The use of blades have been the subject of much controversy, especially at the covered pitches at The Grandstand, as discussed previously on this thread, as well as on the "Safety, health & sustainability" thread. The "Equipment" section of the GIFFA System thread currently provide as follows: .... As all our games are played on astro turf, if you play regularly, you should get a pair of all-weather astro shoes, like these: Exceptions: i. For the covered pitches at The Grandstand and Kallang, if you don't have a pair of astro shoes, use flat soled shoes (for hard court), or even trainers (basketball or running). If you are new or irregular and don't even have flat soled shoes or trainers (hard to believe, but I'll take your word for it), you may, as a one-off exception, use boots with soft plastic blades or small studs. ii. For the uncovered pitches at Balestier Road and East Coast, if you don't have a pair of astro shoes, you can use boots with soft plastic blades or small studs, as flat soled shoes or trainers are not suitable when the pitch is wet. Where a player uses blades or studs, the onus is on the user to take extra care not to catch other players with the blades or studs. .... Kelvin had been playing often enough at The Grandstand, and has had enough time to comply with the requirements for our games at The Grandstand. Without further prompting from me: .... On a side note, now everyone can stop bitching about my blades.... I finally saved enough money from writing match reports, being match selector and captain to buy a decent pair.... Also part of the reason why I was kind of crap today   |
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Post by Rajiv on Jul 5, 2014 10:19:55 GMT 8
The ball credit was introduced in March 2014. From the "Equipment" section of the GIFFA System thread: .... Balls are provided at the venue. However, the quality of the ball provided may vary greatly, players are encouraged to bring their own balls. Our preference is for a reduced bounce size-4 or size-5 ball, but an ordinary size-5 ball will do. If there is more than one ball available, team selectors/captains should discuss and agree on the choice of ball. If a ball brought by a player is used up to the end of a game, and it is reported on the report thread to the game, the player will receive $1 credit for the first 35 times that ball is used. .... The ball credit has only been claimed twice so far: Kelvin Au reported the use of ball both times, once brought by him, and once brought by Rai. From the Stand-Alone Polls board: I had the following discussion with Lee Powers on 1 and 2 June 2014: - Lee: "... I would prefer ... to play with a traditional sized ball. ...."
- Me: ... The type of ball to use is discussed on another thread - giffas.proboards.com/post/30652/thread
- Lee: "Ah ok thanks Raj ... I just find ... that small ball is hard to control, ...!"
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The choice of ball in each game is left to the team selectors/captains to agree. However, there is only a choice if there is more than one ball. If there is only one ball available, there is no choice but to use that ball. More players bringing a ball will give the team selectors more choice. Two points to note: - Players need to remember to take their balls back with them. Balls are easily lost at our various venues.
- The use of the ball must be posted on the report thread to claim the $1 credit.
I'll make more of an effort to promote this.
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Post by Fred on Jul 23, 2014 12:06:18 GMT 8
From the report thread for the game on Sunday: Suggest those with studs to invest on futsol shoes . My toe is badly swollen now - having stepped on is really not a joke . Rockstar informs me there is a hairline fracture. Out of action for a few weeks. Time to revive the old debate about footwear?
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Post by Rajiv on Jul 23, 2014 13:31:28 GMT 8
Fred, I've moved your post here, and quoted the post you were replying to. The rules are clear: EquipmentAs all our games are played on astro turf, if you play regularly, you should get a pair of all-weather astro shoes, like these: Exceptions: i. For the covered pitches at The Grandstand and Kallang, if you don't have a pair of astro shoes, use flat soled shoes (for hard court), or even trainers (basketball or running). If you are new or irregular and don't even have flat soled shoes or trainers (hard to believe, but I'll take your word for it), you may, as a one-off exception, use boots with soft plastic blades or small studs. ii. For the uncovered pitches at Balestier Road and East Coast, if you don't have a pair of astro shoes, you can use boots with soft plastic blades or small studs, as flat soled shoes or trainers are not suitable when the pitch is wet. Where a player uses blades or studs, the onus is on the user to take extra care not to catch other players with the blades or studs. .... It is now a question of enforcement. I'm not going to suggest that selectors/captains check footwear before the game. However, if anyone notices improper or unsuitable footwear, they should bring it to the attention of the selectors/captains. At first instance, it is for the selectors/captains to decide what action should be taken. At the very least, they should remind the player concerned to exercise greater care. If the matter is more serious (either the player disregards the selectors/captains, or there is an injury, or a player has been reminded previously), the selectors/captains or the other players affected should inform me. I am considering a system of penalties for significant breaches of the rules. In the longer term, I will have to address the issue with manufacturers. Manufacturers market "hybrids" as being suitable for both grass and astroturf in order to capture market share. However, often, hybrids, while offering good traction, are not necessarily safe, especially when the player wearing them accidentally steps on or kicks another player. If players read this thread, well and good, but most don't. It's hard to tell a player who has bought a pair of boots/shoes after being told by the retailer that they are suitable for astro turf that he can't use those for our games. The bigger problem might be that very few outlets stock shoes solely for use on astro turf. |
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Post by Fred on Jul 23, 2014 15:59:52 GMT 8
I see enough variety of astro turf boots every week to be convinced that they're not so difficult to get.
I vote for a ban of studs, plain and simple.
We've said enough times that it was an injury waiting to happen. Now that it's there it's time to act.
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Post by Rajiv on Jul 23, 2014 16:02:33 GMT 8
Studs are ordinarily not allowed on the covered pitches at The Grandstand. That's what the rule actually says.
My point was about hybrids, and enforcement of the rule. The variety you see includes a lot of hybrids.
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Post by Fred on Jul 23, 2014 16:25:25 GMT 8
Studs are ordinarily not allowed on the covered pitches at The Grandstand. That's what the rule actually says. Not that obvious from the Equipment section. Perhaps you can state it more clearly about studs and blades. Not sure about this terminology, are they like the ones Kelvin bought? |
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Post by Rajiv on Jul 23, 2014 20:48:13 GMT 8
Studs are ordinarily not allowed on the covered pitches at The Grandstand. That's what the rule actually says. Not that obvious from the Equipment section. Perhaps you can state it more clearly about studs and blades. .... In the "Equipment" section, I am covering several venues and several scenarios. For The Grandstand, I state: - Use astro shoes.
- If a player doesn't have astro shoes, use flat soled shoes or trainers.
- If a player is new or irregular, and turns up with studs/blades, then, the onus is on him to take greater care.
I doubt many players even read the section. However, it's there for the selectors/captains/regulars to refer to if the player concerned questions what he is being told. Having the rule is one thing. The selectors/captains/regulars have to play a more active part in ensuring the rule is complied with.
.... Not sure about this terminology, are they like the ones Kelvin bought? Nowadays, there are many variations. That's what makes the rule harder to frame, and enforce. Pure astro shoes are more likely sold in shops selling equipment for field hockey (because all hockey is played on astro), then shops selling footwear for football (as a lot of football is still played on grass). I have been trying to find shops which stock pure astro shoes. Astro shoes are more easily found online, such as on this website (Sports Direct). Hybrids tend to have extra blade or stud like features at the heel and sides to give additional grip on grass. Manufacturers want to capture both markets. I don't see how hybrids are suitable for astro turf. .... We've said enough times that it was an injury waiting to happen. Now that it's there it's time to act. Unfortunately, Rockstar was also on the receiving end on at least one previous occasion, prior to January 2012. |
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Post by Rajiv on Apr 5, 2015 15:52:08 GMT 8
From above: The ball credit was introduced in March 2014. .... The ball credit has only been claimed twice so far: Kelvin Au reported the use of ball both times, once brought by him, and once brought by Rai. .... The choice of ball in each game is left to the team selectors/captains to agree. However, there is only a choice if there is more than one ball. If there is only one ball available, there is no choice but to use that ball. More players bringing a ball will give the team selectors more choice. Two points to note: - Players need to remember to take their balls back with them. Balls are easily lost at our various venues.
- The use of the ball must be posted on the report thread to claim the $1 credit.
I'll make more of an effort to promote this.
The ball credit was claimed once more in May 2014 and four times in August 2014. However, it has been claimed much more regularly since January 2015 since the following post on the report thread for the game on Sunday, 4 January 2015: Rajiv, what's this about getting ball credit? I've been supplying game ball for most of my 2014 games as well as the first of 2015!  The aim is to make sure there is a suitable ball for each game, even a choice of balls. The balls supplied by the venue are often not good, sometimes, barely usable. And now, with regular games at SBSA @ Kallang, we need someone to bring a ball (and if necessary, a pump), as that venue does not provide footballs or pumps. On a separate note, for the game at The Grandstand last Saturday (28 March 2015) and Sunday (29 March 2015), teams used white and black tops. The request was first made by Desmond on the schedule thread for the Saturday game, and repeated by him on the WhatsApp group chat. This was to mark the passing of Lee Kuan Yew. Similar requests waere made by Cedric and Andrew Y on the WhatsApp group chat for the Sunday game. I left the matter to the team selectors/captains, who agreed to do so. After the change of colours last weekend, there was some uncertainty on the WhatsApp group chat for the game today (Sunday) as to what the other colour (besides white) would be. There was a suggestion we have three colours - white, red and black - so that there would be more choice. That was what we used to have, but after a poll, black was gradually dropped. It is also convenient to stick with just two contrasting colours - for players not coming straight from home, they only need to bring two jerseys with them (instead of three). Also, for regulars, they don't need to keep a stock of black tops, just white and red suffices. When Jake, one of the team selectors for the game yesterday (Saturday), asked everyone to bring both a white top and a red top, Desmond, one of the regulars, asked why that was necessary when colours had already been assigned. The "Team selectors/captains & line ups" section of the GIFFA System thread actually provides as follows: .... .... One team is white and the other red. Players should bring both colours. Team selectors/captains can agree on changes to the line ups at any time, up to and even during the game. .... As this thread covers tops and footwear, which is more accurately referred to as "kit" rather that "equipment", I have changed the subject of this thread from "Equipment" to "Game kit & equipment". I have also renamed the header of the "Equipment" section of the GIFFA System thread in the same way. I have also added this thread as one of the reference threads under the "Team selectors/captains & line ups" section of the GIFFA System thread. |
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Post by Rajiv on May 2, 2017 10:06:36 GMT 8
The following (from the GIFFA System thread) was first implemented in March 2014: .... Balls are provided at the venue. However, as the quality of the ball provided may vary greatly, players are encouraged to bring their own balls. Our preference is for a reduced bounce size-4 or size-5 ball, but an ordinary size-5 ball will do. If there is more than one ball available, team selectors/captains should discuss and agree on the choice of ball. If a ball brought by a player is used up to the end of a game, and it is reported on the report thread to the game, the player will receive $1 credit for the first 35 times that ball is used. .... The rationale was stated earlier on this thread as follows: .... The aim is to encourage as many players as possible to bring their own ball to our games. The players at the game can indicate their preference, and the two team selectors/captains will decide which ball is used. If the choice doesn't work well, they can change to any other ball that is available. I believe balls are still around $30 each. If a player's ball is used 35 times in this way, he gets $35 credit, which should cover the cost of the ball, and put him into credit. He can also use the ball in other games that he plays. .... .... I have been giving the $1 ball credit when the player who provided the ball used is identified on the report thread, either in the report, or in a separate post. However, I only give the credit when the player is identified unambiguously. If any uncertainly is expressed, I hold back the credit until it is made clear on the same thread. Some observations about the type of ball used in a game: - An ordinary bounce ball tends to be preferred at venues where the number of players to playing area ratio is lower (that is, more space), such as at the Premier Pitch @ Khalsa, while a reduced bounce ball tend to be preferred at venues where the number of players to playing area ratio is higher (that is, more congested), such as at the Premier Pitch @ Grandstand. In a more congested game, ball control is even more important, and a reduced bounce ball helps. Without sufficient ball control, the game becomes very disjointed. Of course, when we only have enough for a 7-a-side for the game on a big pitch at the Grandstand, it is less congested. On the other hand, a reduced bounce ball tends to feel heavier, so we can consider using a size 4 instead of a size 5 to compensate.
- However, even for the games at Khalsa and Macpherson, which are less congested, as the pitches are uncovered, the game is played in wet conditions if it rains earlier in the day. This makes for greater difficulty controlling the ball. Selectors/captains may wish to consider switching to a reduced bounce ball in wet conditions, if one is available.
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Post by Rajiv on Sept 15, 2018 13:20:05 GMT 8
Continuing from above, from time to time, especially for the Monday and Wednesday games, a player doing a game report will add whose ball was used. I give the ball credit to the player named as having provided the ball. However, if the player provides a name, but adds any indication that he is not sure, I do not give the ball credit until it is confirmed who provided the ball. For example, from the report thread for game on Wednesday, 8 August 2018: .... Ball credit: Derian (correct pls if I am wrong) The $1 credit was accordingly given to Sean. And again, from the report thread for the game on Wednesday, 12 September 2018: .... Match ball to keith. Nice new ball.. Ball credit to Naz, not me Again, the $1 ball credit will accordingly be given to Naz. As stated in the post above, "I only give the credit when the player is identified unambiguously", and "If any uncertainly is expressed, I hold back the credit until it is made clear on the same thread". I would actually prefer the player concerned to claim the $1 credit, either by posting on the report thread himself (as is often the case), or asking that the player who does the report claim it for him. That way, there can be no uncertainty. Also, from the report thread for the game on 5 September 2018: .... Ball Credit 80/20 split - someone should get 20cents/80cents as ball was changed after about 12 mins.  The ball credit is given to the player who provides the ball at the end. If another ball was used earlier on, but was changed, then that ball was not good enough to earn any credit. |
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Post by Rajiv on Feb 9, 2019 22:23:26 GMT 8
Both Raj and Jon Stratton have messaged me over the past few days to say some of the newer players playing on the covered pitch at the Grandstand are using studs / blades. The Game kit & equipment section on the GIFFA System thread provides as follows: As all our games are played on astro turf, if you play regularly, you should get a pair of all-weather astro shoes, like these: Exceptions: i. For the covered pitches at The Grandstand and Kallang, if you don't have a pair of astro shoes, use flat soled shoes (for hard court), or even trainers (basketball or running). If you are new or irregular and don't even have flat soled shoes or trainers (hard to believe, but I'll take your word for it), you may, as a one-off exception, use boots with soft plastic blades or small studs. ii. For the uncovered pitches at Serangoon and Macpherson, if you don't have a pair of astro shoes, you can use boots with soft plastic blades or small studs, as flat soled shoes or trainers are not suitable when the pitch is wet. Where a player uses blades or studs, the onus is on the user to take extra care not to catch other players with the blades or studs. Astro football shoes are available at Decathlon for as low as $20. If I am provided with their WhatsApp contact, I refer new players to the Forum Overview thread. I will add specific references there to the GIFFA System and the Overriding Principles, Core Values & Game Rules (the "Rules") threads. Once team selectors/captains for a game have been appointed, I leave all game-related matters to the selectors/captains. This includes ensuring players continue to comply with all applicable aspects of the GIFFA System and the Rules. Currently, the first post on the Rules thread provides as follows: .... During a game, the two team selectors/captains also have the final say on the application of the Overriding Principles, Core Values & Game Rules. If the team selectors/captains cannot agree, the issue should be discussed on the report thread after the game, and may be followed up on the appropriate announcements and developments thread. Any residual dissatisfaction after the game can also be discussed on the report thread for the game. .... I will revise the post to make it clearer that the selectors/captains' role includes wherever necessary checking on kit and equipment, and reminding their team-mates during the game of applicable provisions of the GIFFA System and Rules. If the opposing selector/captain has an issue with an opposing player, please speak to the opposing selector/captain first, who in turn, can address the issue with the player. Players should take all reminders from their own captains to heart. If the opposing selector/captain disagrees, or the selector/captain finds his team-mate does not take his reminder to heart, then the dissatisfied selector/captain can raise the issue with me. I think this is an appropriate way for adults to conduct themselves, and our games are for adults. On a separate note, as discussed recently on the Safety, health & sustainability thread, the reduced bounce ball carries a greater risk of eye injury. The reduced bounce ball is used regularly for the weekend games on the big covered pitch at the Grandstand. The risk of eye injury is compounded by the fact that these games are also more crowded (8-a-side rather than 7-a-side) and more competitive, giving rise to a higher chance of unexpected ricochets. With these considerations in mind, goggles are recommended, especially for the weekend games at the Grandstand. An article on the use of sports goggles can be found here. I will revise the Game kit & equipment section on the GIFFA System thread accordingly. On a lighter note, the following is from the WhatsApp group chat for a Wednesday night game a couple of months ago:  I am open to players bringing extra red or white tops, and "renting" them out to other players who don't have the correct colour. However, I think $2 each time is more than fair. If any player asks for more than $2, I will charge the player collecting payment 50%, rounded down to the nearest dollar. Currently, we have no rules or recommendations relating to goalkeeping gloves. As generally, each player takes a turn in goal, there is a risk of hand and figure injury from goalkeeping. I saw cheap goalkeeping gloves at Decathlon recently. The one below is going for $5.  If, for each game, selectors/captains bring a pair for use by their team, they will get an additional $1 credit. As with the ball credit, they have to claim the credit on the report thread. If any player does not want to share gloves with others, you can always buy your own pair. I will first revise the Game kit & equipment section of the GIFFA System thread. I am reviewing the position on shin pads. If everyone wears proper astro shoes as described above, there is no need for shin pads. As referred to above, the onus is on anyone wearing blades/studs to take extra care not to cause undue pain, or injury, to other players by using such footwear. Further, if there is a clash of shins between a player wearing shin pads (especially the hard plastic type) and one not wearing shin pads, far greater pain is caused to the player not wearing shin pads. As such, I am minded not to allow certain types of shin pads. |
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Post by Rajiv on Sept 22, 2019 16:41:30 GMT 8
From the report thread for the game on Wednesday, 18 Sep 2019: next time pls wear white or red only.. no pink or light shades of red.. i am colour blind.. its hard to spot teammates especially in this haze... And from the report thread for the game yesterday (Saturday): .... Going forward, if a player is unable to change teams either before or during a game because he does not have the other colour, and this is referred to in the report thread and verified by his captain, I will impose a $1 penalty on that player. .... Players have from early on been required to bring both a white top and a red top. If you don't have a white top, any light top will do. If you don't have a red top, any dark or bright colour will do. The aim is for the two teams to be clearly distinguished. Any shade of pink, being between white and red, is confusing, and is now officially banned! The proposal for top rental in the post above still applies. To be consistent, any player requesting a specific colour for his team because he only has that colour will have to pay a $1 choice of colour admin fee. The fee will be waived if the player only joined the game on the day of the game itself (for weekdays) or after 10 am of the day of the game (for weekend games), or is a new or relatively new player. Players effectively filling places which are still available on the day of the game itself, or new or new players, should not be penalised if they are not prepared with tops in both colours. Further to the post above, the $1 glove credit can only be claimed by the captain. A captain can of course ask any of his team to bring the gloves, and assign the credit to that player. As we approach the 10th anniversary of GIFFA, I may introduce a starter kit for players, comprising of:
The red card can look something like this.
The yellow and red cards are for use by captains on their own players, either to zip it (yellow as a warning) or to expel them from the game (red for expulsion). Players can of course use the cards in their daily lives, to end (or inflame!) any argument.
To avoid copyright issues, I may have a small competition to design our own cards along the above lines. Players can get their children to participate! |
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Post by Rajiv on Oct 24, 2019 11:32:42 GMT 8
Three players for the game tonight (Thursday) at Macpherson have requested to be in a specific colour. If the selectors accommodate the requests, they will be constrained in balancing the teams. This was in issue early on (between 2008 and 2010) when players would decide for themselves which colour they would turn up in. If half the players turned up in a specific colour (red or white for example), they would form one team, and the remaining players would be in the other team. This led to very unevenly matched teams, with players in white or mixed colours often losing badly. It was to counter this that the entire process of fixing teams before the game and assigning colours came about. From the Payments & monetary incentives & disincentives .... There are thus now the following admin fees and penalties applicable: - Admin fees:
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- "Not bringing two colours" admin fee: If it comes to my attention that any regular player does not have both a white/light top and red/bright/dark top for a game, whether by the player requesting to be in a particular colour because he does not have the other colour, or not being able to switch teams as may be required by the selector/captain before or during the game, a $1 admin fee will be imposed on the player. I will waive this admin fee if the player made use of a suitable playing bib.
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The admin fees and penalties apply mainly to regulars. Even where they apply to non-regulars, I may waive or reduce the admin fee or penalty. For now, "regular" means any player who qualifies for the selector poll based on number of games played, or would qualify if he hadn't opted out. Regulars should know better by now.
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Admin fees ... are just one way to encourage conduct and behaviour more conducive to the system and the rules, or otherwise co-operative conduct and behaviour. Generally, I rely much more on repeated reminders, either from myself, or the selectors/captains. Admin fees are used for important aspects of the system and rules. ....
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Some players say they bring only one top as they are coming straight from work. It really isn't that great a difficulty to bring a top of the altenative colour to work, in additional to shorts, astroshoes and socks. Selectors should focus on balancing line ups, rather than accommodating requests for specific colours. Accommodating more than a couple of requests greatly complicates balancing the teams. For regulars who request a specific colour because they can't bring the alternative colour, I will refer them to this post on the first occasion, and may even on the second occasion, but after that I will impose the admin fee for not bring both colours. For newer or non-regular players, I will give them more time to get a second suitable top. There can be flexibility with the colour options - red/bright/dark v white/light. If regular players don't have both alternative, it may work out cheaper to buy a second suitable top than to repeatedly pay the admin fee. Merely stating a colour preference is different, and doesn't come within the above, as long as the player has both colours. The selectors can try to accommodate the preference in the assigning of colours, after line ups are finalised. |
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