Several less regular players, or players who haven't played for some time, so I will suggest line ups after noon tomorrow. I've added a team captain poll. I've included everyone who has played at least 12 games in the current 6 month period and 40 games over the past 3 years. To opt out of being either team selector or captain, use "NAATSC".
Rockstar was ok with the suggested line ups, but Fred had concerns, so Rockstar suggested changes. I discussed the changes with Fred, Rockstar and Chen Hong. Chen Hong has not commented, but Fred was ok with the changes, so let's go with the suggested changes. Revised line ups, with captains and colours, as follows:
Whites lost by 8-2 with players struggling in their respective positions & lost their tactical shape. Reds used their strength well with Lynz & CH as silky slick as ever with CH poking in 2. Nick held the ball well and put in 2-3 goals & carried the team. Jamie despite his long layoff is still a handful & Yaseen used his size well both offensively & defensively.
Quite a few Whites had a off day & let the hardworking ones down. Fred was strangely quiet without any penalty appeals but Rockstar did his part by playing his calls well. Rockstar should be permanent Captain in both playing & tactical terms.
Team 1: Arijit, Chen Hong, Fred, Lynz, CH, Yaseen, Jamil, Hoden Team 2: Jye, Nick H, Kelvin Au, Melvin Au, Rockstar, Dennis, Dev, Xiong Wei
Team captains are Chen Hong and Rockstar. Yaseen has requested red.
On the WhatsApp group chat, Rockstar was ok with my suggestion, but Fred was not. I therefore created a separate "Line ups" group chat with Chen Hong, Rockstar and Fred for Fred to suggest changes. Fred suggested splitting Yaseen and Jamil and bringing Jye over to Team 1 as centre back, but as Jamil hadn't played for a while, I said I'd keep Yaseen and Jamil on the same team. Rockstar then suggested swapping teams with Chen Hong, with Nick and Fred swapping too. Fred was ok with that, and after some time, Chen Hong finally replied to say he was ok with the changes too. A summary is actually set out in the first post above. And that's how we ended up with:
I understand that there was an issue at the game yesterday (Saturday) whether a player carrying an injury that prevents him from playing in goal should even be playing. I am surprised, because I thought we have previous instances at the Saturday game where a player had an arm, hand or wrist injury and didn't take a turn in goal.
Taking turns in goal is addressed several times earlier in this thread. .....
Since I started the WhatsApp group chat for each game towards the end of 2012, apart from on the schedule thread, players have sometimes disclosed on the group chat that they cannot play in goal due to an injury. I recollect several instances for the Saturday games alone. I have found the following two examples from the schedule threads:
For the game on Saturday, 28 June 2014, at The Grandstand:
I don't keep a record from WhatsApp group chat, but I'm sure there have been other instances.
Anyway, it shouldn't have been a major issue at yesterday's game, as, after withdrawals, there was no one left on waitlist, and we were in fact one short until after the team captain poll closed. Ironically, given the examples above, the two team captains yesterday were Rockstar and Chen Hong. To complicate matters, I understand the issue yesterday arose between two other players on Chen Hong's team, without the captain being involved.
The current rules don't specifically address the issue, but my understanding is as follows:
While every player should spend approximately the same amount of time in goal, if a player has an injury or physical impediment that prevents him from playing in goal, he can be excused.
If the impediment existed before the game, he should disclose it either on the schedule thread or on the WhatsApp group chat before the team selector/captain poll closes. Team selectors should take the impediment into consideration when deciding on line ups. If it arises during the game, he should inform his team selector/captain, and the selector/captain should consider whether to re-organise the team. If the team selector/captain feels the impediment materially affects the evenness of the two teams, he can raise it with the other team selector/captain to discuss whether any changes to the line ups is necessary.
If the impediment exists before the game, the player should consider switching to waitlist (that is, playing only if we are short of players). Alternatively, the player may be moved to waitlist. If the player has particular reasons for wanting to play in that game, they will be taken into account.
Team selectors/captains should not insist on a player playing in goal if he states he is unable to due to an injury or physical impediment. As health and safety is of primary importance, the final say is that of the player concerned. If the selector/captain doubts the genuineness of the impediment, they can raise it with me or on the report thread.
Post by Just D James on Apr 13, 2015 15:56:25 GMT 8
Thanks Rajiv - appreciated the clarity. I felt "victimised" on Saturday although to be fair, that has not happened to me very often when I was playing in SG prior to leaving for HK in 2008 and any of the old boys reading this would be laughing - Dennis being victimised?!! dont kid with me -
Strangely enough I had played a couple of times with Jye before but never caught his name and never had problems with him nor found him to be a bullying authoritarian individual. Skilful or nimble he may not be but gosh! he sure has chip on his shoulder on Sat!
Perhaps age catches with us all and he was annoyed we were being pulled all over the place and so had to pick out a fall guy - that being me, maybe because I was a "noob".... ;p
I was just terribly annoyed that he was singling me out because i guess most of everyone else was familiar with each other and apart from Fred and Dev, I didnt really know anyone else in the team. I was really getting used to the team's playing style.
I mean I have my own style so does everyone else so its about being tolerant and trying to encourage people and working as a team, not inculcating a blame culture and singling out anyone.
Seriously, from the way I read it, we were playing 3-3-1.
Dev RB, Chen Hong - CB, Xiongwei,-LB and Jye was in goal, I was in CM, Au bros on both wings and Fred up top. I thought it looked like a decent line up although I was unfamiliar with everyone's strengths (except Fred).
it started that way for a bit and then I realised one of the Au bros was not comfy on the wing and kept cutting in (ala Di Maria) so I thought perhaps I should go out on the wing then and let him play in the middle.
That was when the problem started when Jye kepting accusing me of not running back. I mean seriously, only Nick was up top as their striker and you have Xiongwei and Chen Hong double teaming on him, someone has to support Fred too as he was getting marked out. if we have numbers back, then surely you need some others to stay in midfield but I guess its a different approach. At one stage during a corner we had 5 men marking Nick - (Nick, you should feel flattered, the whites were terrified of you!)
I dont blame Fred for his performance on Sat, because he was being double teamed and triple teamed at times and no one was helping him much. We all know how steady Rajseran is on the ball and he was a rock in defence for Reds plus Yaseen holding ground and one of the Au bros was getting no change from them both. Dev was doing his darnest tearing up and down the right. Then I was ordered into goal by Jye (not asked but ordered), which I declined because of my elbow (torn ligaments from 2 weeks ago - still mending). I think it was because of that I was being targeted. Why? Reasons later.
Then I was constantly hounded throughout the game by the same individual who wasnt the captain but ordering everyone else into different places. I offered to play CB as it was one of my positions of strength but suddenly I was told to switch to RB, and Dev play left wing. It was just a game that I was seen to be at fault for everything even when I tackled hard and protected backline sometimes. I mean as a team player if you wanted to fault someone, at least encourage them at same time but no, only harsh words were offered when mistake was made but at the same time, this individual who wasnt even the captain was just faultless and never to blame for anything. I kept it down on the pitch rest of the game and just played the game after realising that Jye was unmoved to his own failures.
I bided my time and offered my views after the game. First word I said was? since when Singapore transcended into a blame culture? seriously buddy...if you were that good yourself or even the captain, I would have accepted your criticism but you were slow yourself, made mistakes and when others in your team made it, I dont see you tearing into them but you were just constantly on my case! wow! i was then told to FO because the game was over, so forget about it. I dont think so not this time matey. I had let it slide on the pitch for fear of spoiling everyone's game but let's be fair, after the game, let's have it out then.
For fear of someone else or a "newbie" being the next victim! I trust I am free to voice my own opinions after the game about such bullying behaviour and it should be good to remember when someone keeps quiet, it doesnt mean he is afraid, it just means he is trying to do you a favour and not embarrass you and let his performance do the talking.
Furthermore, Jye claimed that Quote "we dont like people to come here and pretend this injury or that injury and dont want to go into goal" "next time come back after you have fully recovered." Unquote.
Besides being the captain, I didnt know he made the rules as well. Anyone who knows me, know that I am a pretty decent keeper during my time in SG last, so if I could go into goal I definitely would.
For the game's sake, in future, if you are not the skipper, you should not pretend you are one. No one voted you on tactics or rule maker. You dont order people into goal or into any position. be respectful and polite if you want to propose positions. CH had suggested I play CM, I was very comfy there until I saw one of the Au bros preferring that position so I switched it out. I was trying my best to help the team. yes the better team won for a host of reasons but we all want to have a good game of football win or lose as a team.
You paid $10 or $12, so did I so unless you are the captain, what right did you have to tear into me during the game and tell me I was playing rubbish and the one to blame for everything you failed to do to stop the goals.
Seriously buddy, please grow up and be more respectful to others next time. We are just here to play football. Yes I may not be your friend but at least for that one hour, I am your team mate. So be more respectful and tolerant to others next time. Thanks.
- Dennis the destroyer - who was destroyed by a fellow Sgean on Saturday - I thought HK people were terrible.....sigh!
Post by Just D James on Apr 13, 2015 18:54:49 GMT 8
Rajiv, it feels good to be back and to be part of this fantastic forum. I met up with Teik on Sunday for another game and he was similarly impressed and sharing your efforts with everyone at that sunday's game.
Similarly, from my experience on Saturday, I know what it is like to be at the receiving end from a single individual but last I recall, I always encouraged as well as chastised. I thought it was more balanced but of course, you guys can tell me differently from how you saw it!! LOL
Anyway maybe the years in HK has caused me to mellow alot - and see things from a wholistic perspective. I dont know - I need to play more and familarise myself with everyone's style of play. If my body and schedule could handle it I would even play alternate weekdays!