Several players who are not regulars on Sunday or players who have not played together before much or at all. I'll suggest line ups after noon tomorrow. I've added a team captain poll. I've included everyone who has played at least 15 games in the current 6 month period and 50 games in over the past 3 years, and have not opted out.
Despite a lot of negotiation behind the scenes and trying to accommodate player preferences, there was still some trepidation as the line-ups were announced. Honestly, the eventual line-ups were a lot more balanced than initial propositions Thanks to Jiv for that!
Whites started off the scoring and looked to be dominating in the first 20 mins or so. Reds took awhile to gel but they ended up the resurgent team with Captain Red Underwear aka Kien breaking the deadlock score of 4-4 at the last min of the game and scoring a glancing shot which went off the post into the goal winning the game for Reds at 5-4!!! What a comeback! There was an element of luck as both Kong and I also ended up on the score sheet with ironically identical own goals from corner set pieces where the cross came in hard and fast and ricocheted off our chests into goal
I have sussed out Kien's game and he usually saves the best for last meaning, he keeps reserves until the last 15 mins and when everyone else is tired and slowing down, he ups the game!! Whites had a strong attack force with Gerard combining well with Vini who scored the first 2 goals for Whites. Andrew who was playing on the left wing scored another with a marvelous diagonal run latching on to Darren's through ball and scoring. On Reds team, Rainer and Charpin had the best of the midfield with their tenacity while Derian posed a handful for Whites defence with his new found fitness after losing a lot of weight Kien, Wilson and CH held off most of Reds attacks which were largely orchestrated by our front 3.
Darren was my man of the match as I have to admit I was sometimes caught ball-watching his silky skills squeezing out of impossibly tight positions
Post by Just D James on May 5, 2015 13:50:34 GMT 8
totally agreed about Darren being MOTM. Shame we couldnt provide him with more support. He was basically terrorising the entire Reds team in the first half and I must add that the 3-0 lead was entirely down to his good work.
In fact apart from Mark on Sat games, I havent seen a better CM in the entire forum, then again I have only been to a few games. So somewhat limited perspective.
Would love more games with Darren in the same team, he is a delight to play with.
cool composed calm collected - knows exactly when to release the ball - there's the hallmark of a true CM - its not so much about the dribbling skills and holding the ball when you are in CM but its also when to release the ball with a team mate in place - alot of the so called good CMs I have seen others reporting - almost always tend to over dribble - try to notice it more next time when you play with the pretenders to the CM maestro mantle....you might spot the same difference. yes they are good at dribbling and holding the ball - good if they score as well but they dont always bring others into the game - and over dribble and end up losing the ball - and how many actually tackle and track back as well? not many -
Darren has all these hallmarks - at least from what I can see in the game I played on Sunday
i think we generally give too much credit to individuals. what it came down to, in my opinion and experience is the following:
reds stayed calm when they were 3:0 down. red's positional discipline by every player was impressive. red's perseverence/tenacity/desire to win by players like ch, kien, charpin, derian, and myself worked well to gel the team. these are all the hallmarks of a great team effort!
you guys know how much brazilian like pushing and scoring. in my opinion, besides all the credits that need to be given to the red team, we lost when we stop attacking. when we became worried about not suffering goals (like having 4 whites inside the box in a corner when no reds were around) and our midfield went back. my biased opinion is that soccer is a game that you win when you score more, and not when you suffer less, so keep pushing forward. generally, 3 defenders, 1 midfielder will do the work. one forward-player never cross the central line to hold one/two worried defenders close to their area and the other attacking player just stay by the central line. we also have sinned trying complicated passes, forgeting the "easy ball". of course there are differences in the styles, each week we have different teams (what makes our game even more cool), but, as a brazilian, the attacking mindset is always present. when the other team has a corner, we don't fall back, the more we fall, the closer they get to the goal. when the keeper has the ball, everyone (except 1 or 2 defenders) run forward to create option and the striker goes into the opposite area (no matter where is the ball) to push defenders and create space. I'm sorry if sometimes i talk too much guys but his is my view. In my opinion, besides the great efforts of the red team, we defended too much after scoring 3 times. Afterall, playing with you is very cool! See you on sunday!
Post by Just D James on May 7, 2015 16:07:17 GMT 8
Rainer - fair points on your end for your own team - in our instance we gave credit to our own CM who did a great job despite the lost - it was not so much tht your team pererverence held out at 3:0 down but more because Vini lost his footwear after 3-0 LOL
you guys were rocked at 3:0 clueless to Gerrard's great midfield play and Vini's positioning and finishing -
We let you into the game like Vini said - became too defensive sometimes and perhaps you forgot Damian's point - you had 2 fluke of a goal - both own goals from Kong and Damian after the ball deflected off them.
Nevertheless I agree the better team won.
Vini - I absolutely agree with you - I am never one for having so many defenders defending a corner - but it just the style of some of the defenders to have more presence which I think sometimes create more harm than good -
yes we will take these opinions and views on board and let's see if we can improve and no you dont talk too much - there's always freedon of speech - your views are always helpful to improve the team -
Dennis n Vini - lemme continue to argue a bit. as i happen to disagree with your view on tactics.
Dennis, on another note first...the '2 fluke of a goal' as you call them were nt a lucky occurence. the intention of a fast ball into the box from a set piece is to cause danger that leads to a goal - precisely what happened. but that is just a different point of view.
as for defensive tactics...if winning is one of the main objectives then you have to defend well. let's take a look at the various league tables across europe as of today:
spain: team with the least goals conceived is top italy: team with the least goals conceived is top germany: team with the least goals conceived is top england: team with the least goals conceived is top
as for scored goals it is only in germany where the team with the single most goals scored is topping the table.
and i am sure Vini remembers what happens if a team relies too much on the offensive (1:7)
Of course I remember what happens when we care too much about attacking : we may lose one game by 7:1 but occasionally we may also win 5 world cups (as no other country did). ☺ In fact this world Cup was a mess since before, we all know that was a Nike team,not a Brazilian one.
Anyway, I still believe that the more you push the other team to the own box, the less they will attack in an organized way, thus your defense will be very successful. And if we see those teams on the top they also score a lot, maybe they are not the top scorer, but they do score.
In the end, equilibrium is the word. But when one is winning by 3x0... It can't stop pushing.. Otherwise... Well, I still don't have boots to play! I miss those I was using for 5 years in a row!
If players want to continue a broader discussion on the matter, they can continue here.
Whether we play 7 or 8-a-side on the big pitch also makes a difference. I think 8-a-side benefits more defensive teams. 7-a-side benefits more attacking teams. Of course, to win, even with a more defensive line up, you still need attackers and goalscorers.
This is how I see the game Opposite keeper with the ball: put the pressure and don't give space, tackle before the midfielder control the ball Corner: Chances of scoring in the counter attack are higher than scoring in the corner. One each. If you're alone you are wrong. If you are marking your buddy you re wrong. 1 or 2 player on the front. The second attack can run to the midfield but preferentially stays in a agressive posture Keeper with the ball: centre defender stays, two defenders open to the sides, the striker into the box (call 1 or 2 defenders) and the wings run forward/middle wing to open spaces. The midfield goes to the mid field, no close to the center back. Midfield plays in the middle. Striker just go as as. Much close to the keeper as possible. Even though the chances of getting the ball are low, it brings the defense with him opening space. www.dropbox.com/s/guku2dylkwoe3h0/Tatics.pdf?dl=0