Scoring from anywhere
Posted by Rajiv Dec 9, 2015 17:44:02 GMT 8
Post by Rajiv on Dec 9, 2015 17:44:02 GMT 8
From the report thread for the game last night (Tuesday) at The Grandstand (small pitch):
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... I don't think under our Rules you can score by having the GK throw the ball into the opponent's goal?
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We had a discussion on this in relation to the game on Thursday, 26 November 2015, at Khalsa, as follows:
Anyway, the answer is here:
Playing Rules:
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And from the "GIFFA system & playing rules" thread:
From the report thread for the game on Saturday:
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you said " we can score fm anywhere on the pitch" ? My understanding is you cant score directly fm a kick in fm the lines unless it touches another player. Is that correct?
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...., we cant score directly from the lines when there is any outside unless it hits someone .Law XVI of Futsal Laws of the Game provides "Cannot score directly from a kick-in.".
However:
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..., ... what we play is not "futsal". In some ways, it is a hybrid between futsal and 11-a-side football. That's why I stick with "generic indoor football".
Our rules have developed to suit our game. ....
....If you go through The Futsal Laws of the Game, you'll find several that are either inapplicable or not applied to our games.
By contrast, the ESPZen Rules provide for a roll in (see page 86).
Also from our "Playing Rules & Principles":
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We play each game without a referee.
The rules are geared towards keeping the game flowing while reducing the risk of injury and are intended to accommodate different styles of play.
....Also, under GIFFA values, principles & standards:
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..., our games are ultimately social, so I am not inclined to have or enforce a lot of technical rules, ....Therefore, the rules and principles generally are as permissive as possible, constrained mainly by safety considerations.
One reason we continue playing off the roof/top netting at Turf City and Kallang even though other leagues/groups may deem it as being out of play.
No scoring off the nets was introduced as early as 9 December 2008. Probably because it was thought of as being too flukey.
.... So what rules are we supposed to play to? I am personally against scoring fm a kick in except for a corner. And if you could score directly fm a corner, then you damn well desrve it man!.
I consider the rule allowing scoring from anywhere to include scoring direct from a kick-in ..., but it is open to discussion. I treat it as the same as a free-kick in that respect.
The other question is whether the goalkeeper can score directly, whether from a re-start after the ball has gone out of play, or when he receives the ball from open play. The question is extended to whether the goalkeeper can score by throwing the ball directly into the opposing goal when he has possession in his hands (bearing in mind that as we don't have a back-pass rule, the goalkeeper can pick up the ball from a back-pass).
Based on the rule as it stands, the answer would be yes, but again, it's open to discussion.
Like I said, my main aim is to keep the rules simple, and the game free flowing.
And unless and until the rule is modified or changed, my understanding is set out above.
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The rules therefore reward quick thinking and keeping the game flowing by allowing goals to be scored directly from a free kick, kick in or goal kick. Even a throw out by the goalkeeper. I will amend the rules to make it clear that a goalkeeper can score directly from a throw out after catching the ball in play. Of course, the goalkeeper cannot handle outside the D.
I can't imagine anyone aiming to score off the overhead netting. If it happens, it is pure luck. I'd rather our games be about ability and application rather than luck.
The above explains the reasoning, and the distinction with the rule that goals cannot be scored directly off the overhead nets at The Cage. As always, everything is open for discussion. I've created this thread to allow for discussion.
... I don't think under our Rules you can score by having the GK throw the ball into the opponent's goal?
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We had a discussion on this in relation to the game on Thursday, 26 November 2015, at Khalsa, as follows:
- Stuart: Hi Rajiv, can opponent score direct from a corner?
- Rajiv: Yup, even in 11-a-side. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corner_kick#Scoring_a_goal_direct_from_a_corner
- Stuart: Goal kick?
- Rajiv: www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_16_the_goal_kick_en_47361.pdf "A goal may be scored directly from a goal kick, but only against the opposing team." That is, you can't score an own goal from a goal kick. My rules are more liberal even - giffas.proboards.com/post/12101/thread
- Stuart: A goalkeeper who catches the ball in play can throw it directly into the opposing goal. No way!!!
- Rajiv: If he can throw that far. Keeps everyone alert.
- Ziliang: But for 7 a side. If allow scoring directly from kick in, it's like a free kick everytime a ball is out.
- Rajiv: Hasn't been a problem before now. Anyway, if it was an issue today, can someone post on the report thread?
- Stuart: The "controversial goal" direct from the corner gave red team the victory. After reading the fifa futsal rules, teams can't score from kick in but corner ok.
- Rajiv: Only real question is was whether the corner was taken from the right place. Under our rules ".... As the corner angle of every pitch is very close to the netting/wall, the ball may be moved in, up to a foot in from the goal-line and 2 feet from the side line. .... " So keep an eye on that. I've seen corners taken quite far from the goal-line. [But I suppose if can score direct from kick in, doesn't make much difference how close to the goal line the corner is taken]
- Vish: Whites goalkeeper lef the bal deliberately...assuming it wont b counted
- Rajiv: Oh well, no prizes at stake
- Vish: Indeed...so draw it is
nice game everyone...ciao
nice game everyone...ciao- Imran: I'm fine to call it a draw. Whites came back very very well and it was a very friendly game.
- Ziliang:
Anyway, the answer is here:
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- We can score from anywhere on the pitch. A team can score direct from a free kick, goal kick or kick in. There are no indirect free kicks in our game. A goalkeeper who catches the ball in play can throw it directly into the opposing goal. Of course, the goalkeeper cannot handle the ball outside the "D".
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And from the "GIFFA system & playing rules" thread:
you said " we can score fm anywhere on the pitch" ? My understanding is you cant score directly fm a kick in fm the lines unless it touches another player. Is that correct?
...., we cant score directly from the lines when there is any outside unless it hits someone .
However:
..., ... what we play is not "futsal". In some ways, it is a hybrid between futsal and 11-a-side football. That's why I stick with "generic indoor football".
Our rules have developed to suit our game. ....
....
By contrast, the ESPZen Rules provide for a roll in (see page 86).
Also from our "Playing Rules & Principles":
We play each game without a referee.
The rules are geared towards keeping the game flowing while reducing the risk of injury and are intended to accommodate different styles of play.
....
..., our games are ultimately social, so I am not inclined to have or enforce a lot of technical rules, ....
One reason we continue playing off the roof/top netting at Turf City and Kallang even though other leagues/groups may deem it as being out of play.
No scoring off the nets was introduced as early as 9 December 2008. Probably because it was thought of as being too flukey.
The other question is whether the goalkeeper can score directly, whether from a re-start after the ball has gone out of play, or when he receives the ball from open play. The question is extended to whether the goalkeeper can score by throwing the ball directly into the opposing goal when he has possession in his hands (bearing in mind that as we don't have a back-pass rule, the goalkeeper can pick up the ball from a back-pass).
Based on the rule as it stands, the answer would be yes, but again, it's open to discussion.
Like I said, my main aim is to keep the rules simple, and the game free flowing.
And unless and until the rule is modified or changed, my understanding is set out above.
The rules therefore reward quick thinking and keeping the game flowing by allowing goals to be scored directly from a free kick, kick in or goal kick. Even a throw out by the goalkeeper. I will amend the rules to make it clear that a goalkeeper can score directly from a throw out after catching the ball in play. Of course, the goalkeeper cannot handle outside the D.
I can't imagine anyone aiming to score off the overhead netting. If it happens, it is pure luck. I'd rather our games be about ability and application rather than luck.
The above explains the reasoning, and the distinction with the rule that goals cannot be scored directly off the overhead nets at The Cage. As always, everything is open for discussion. I've created this thread to allow for discussion.
