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Post by Rajiv on Mar 5, 2016 10:19:11 GMT 8
The issue of whether to allow up to 6-a-side or limit numbers to 5-a-side for a small pitch at The Grandstand comes up from time to time, most recently, from the report thread for the game on Tuesday: .... Lastly, I wonder if we could try making it 5 a side? That will more space. .... Earlier, from the report thread for the game on Tuesday, 16 June 2015: .... From above: .... Maybe an occasional 5 v 5 match at the Premier Pitch is not a bad thing after all. Agree with Ian that 5s worked well on the pitch as a litte more room. Fast breaks became inevitable towards the end. Good game and, more importantly, great fun. Every game has a maximum number and a minimum number 2 less than the maximum. For the small covered pitch at The Grandstand, we target 12, but we still go ahead with 10. Like all the other games, if we limit numbers to the minimum number, we are vulnerable to being short of players if there are late withdrawals. If we allow 2 more, we can still go ahead with the minimum number even if there are 2 late withdrawals. Also, if the game becomes more popular, allowing up to 12 gives two additional players the opportunity to play. And from the "Venues, pitches & team sizes" thread: Players playing 6-a-side on the small pitch for the first time have expressed concern. My WhatsApp exchange with Calvin on 13 April 2015: I spoke with Calvin after the game on 14 April 2015. He agreed it was a good game. And my WhatsApp exchange with Charpin on 2 June 2015: No report for the game on 2 June 2015, but on the WhatsApp group chat, Charpin was the only player to comment after the game, with "Thanks for the game guys". I don't know if that means he enjoyed the game.  Since the issue comes up from time to time, I've created this thread. |
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Post by Rajiv on Nov 1, 2016 10:09:43 GMT 8
The Tuesday night game at the Grandstand is currently the only one played on a small pitch. A big pitch is not available for our regular night time slot of 9 to 10 pm. However, one may be available from 8 to 9 pm. After various issues since the Tuesday night game was switched from Kallang to Bukit Timah in April 2015, the game has been filling up well over the past few weeks, with even players left on waitlist. I have added this poll to see how to move forward on this. I will follow up in the new year. |
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Post by Rajiv on Nov 8, 2016 13:51:42 GMT 8
Even if we move the Tuesday game at The Grandstand forward to 8 to 9 pm on a big pitch, I will still probably have a 5-a-side game from 9 to 10 pm, probably back at The Cage.
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Post by Rajiv on Nov 13, 2016 14:35:12 GMT 8
We had a one-off extra game on Tuesday (8 November 2016) from 8 to 9 pm on the big pitch at The Grandstand. From the schedule thread: From the schedule thread for the regular game from 9 to 10 pm on a small pitch at Grandstand: .... As requested by Raj, I've created a separate thread. .... Personally i think 8pm is abit too early of a kickoff. Traffic conditions can be unpredictable and due to this there were few people who were late. Didnt really played to the full potential. we started off by just playing for fun with 6 vs 7. We started the actual 8 aside game at about 825pm. So not satisfied and didnt get to sweat much also. .... The main reason I have not had an 8 to 9 pm game on weekdays before now is the risk of late-coming. However, our pool of players is big enough to have one game from 8 to 9 pm each week. Only players who can commit to turning up on time will be allowed to play the 8 to 9 pm game. |
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Post by Rajiv on Feb 13, 2017 18:11:28 GMT 8
From the "Venues, pitches & team sizes" thread: For the game that Tuesday (14 Feb 2017), the issue was raised by Vincenzo. The discussion I had with him at that time was as follows:  |
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Post by Rajiv on Aug 20, 2017 12:38:55 GMT 8
Continuing from the discussion above, for the game on a small pitch at The Grandstand this Tuesday (15 Aug 2017), we got to 10 by Monday night. Nowadays, if we get to 10 for the small pitch, I do not ask around to get 2 more. However, if anyone else wants to play (bringing us to 11), I will ask around for one more to get us to 12. The aim of the whole system is after all to give more people an opportunity to play. When one more player put his name down for the game at 3.37 pm on the day of the game, we had the following exchange of the WhatsApp group chat:  Separately, with Vincenzo alone: _  _ Later on the group chat:  Fortunately, we managed to get one more player to make 12, so we went ahead 6-a-side, with Vincenzo playing. Nowadays, I am very reluctant to make ad hoc changes to the system. From the "GIFFA system & playing rules" thread: .... Much the system, and the rules, have been in place for some time now. It has reached the stage where I am reluctant to make changes, unless there is a clear reason for doing so, or there has been sufficient discussion. As I said before: .... I'm very reluctant to change any regular feature of our games between putting up the schedule thread and the game itself because: * it means more work for me. * players who put their names down for a game on the premises set out in the schedule thread may be unhappy about changes without notice to suit some players or reserve players. .... The reasons why I allow up to 6-a-side for the small covered pitch at The Grandstand is set out in the first post above. I am prepared to consider limiting numbers to 5-a-side, if there are sufficient players who accept the consequences of this: - The minimum number being 2 less than the maximum number, we will go ahead 4-a-side if we only have 8 players.
- The price per player will go up to $11 per player.
This is the thread for players to discuss these considerations, not on the WhatsApp group chat for particular games. Any discussion on the WhatsApp group chat will necessarily be limited in scope. The WhatsApp group chats for individual games is to remind players they are playing, to update players on the team selector/captain poll, team selectors or suggested line ups, final line ups and colours, payment status and the report thread. Broader discussions should take place on this forum. That's why it is a forum in the first place!
Another possible solution is to switch the Tuesday game at Grandstand to a big pitch from 8 to 9 pm. There is a thread on the Stand-Alone Polls board about this. From that thread:
The Tuesday night game at the Grandstand is currently the only one played on a small pitch. A big pitch is not available for our regular night time slot of 9 to 10 pm. However, one may be available from 8 to 9 pm. After various issues since the Tuesday night game was switched from Kallang to Bukit Timah in April 2015, the game has been filling up well over the past few weeks, with even players left on waitlist. I have added this poll to see how to move forward on this. I will follow up in the new year. Even if we move the Tuesday game at The Grandstand forward to 8 to 9 pm on a big pitch, I will still probably have a 5-a-side game from 9 to 10 pm, probably back at The Cage.
Discussion on that issue should be on that thread.
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Post by Rajiv on Aug 21, 2017 9:47:56 GMT 8
From the "Maximum number for the small pitch at The Grandstand" thread on the "Introductions, Requests & Chat" board: .... Another possible solution is to switch the Tuesday game at Grandstand to a big pitch from 8 to 9 pm. There is a thread on the Stand-Alone Polls board about this. From that thread: The Tuesday night game at the Grandstand is currently the only one played on a small pitch. A big pitch is not available for our regular night time slot of 9 to 10 pm. However, one may be available from 8 to 9 pm. After various issues since the Tuesday night game was switched from Kallang to Bukit Timah in April 2015, the game has been filling up well over the past few weeks, with even players left on waitlist. I have added this poll to see how to move forward on this. I will follow up in the new year. Even if we move the Tuesday game at The Grandstand forward to 8 to 9 pm on a big pitch, I will still probably have a 5-a-side game from 9 to 10 pm, probably back at The Cage. Discussion on that issue should be on that thread.
The current state of the poll is:  |
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Post by Rajiv on Aug 23, 2017 11:33:28 GMT 8
The game last night (Tuesday) on a small covered pitch at The Grandstand went ahead 6-a-side. At 8.30 am this morning, Steffen WhatsApped me as follows: Steffen plays exclusively on Tuesday nights, and has been playing with us since 2011, so I'll give a bit more weight to his request. Of course, he used to play regularly at The Cage (before the game was switched to Grandstand), where we played 5-a-side on a much smaller pitch, and which was even more crowded! Anyway, I've added a poll on the issue, and I have moved this thread to the "Stand-Alone Polls" board. With effect from 31 August 2017 (Thursday) onwards, every Thursday, when the thread for the following Tuesday's game at The Grandstand goes up, the maximum and minimum number will reflect the state of the poll. This will be implemented for all Tuesday games at The Grandstand in September 2017.
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Post by Gerard N on Aug 24, 2017 14:37:59 GMT 8
Thanks Rajiv for being open to changing Tuesday games to 5 aside.
End of the day I'm just happy to be able to play as much football as I can without the hassle of organizing but my preference too is to play 5 aside for small pitch on Tuesday. It will definitely free up more space and 6 aside can be a bit of a squeeze.
I also believe the quality of football has improved on our Tuesday games so it becomes more entertaining when its 5 aside as it gives us more space for creating nice plays.
Anyways nothing will change if you guys don't vote on the polls!
I am okay to switch to: Capping numbers at 5-a-side and going ahead 4-a-side if we are short, at $11 per player.
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Post by Maarten on Aug 25, 2017 16:11:59 GMT 8
Being a new member and pretty ignorant about the history from the 5 or 6 games that I have now played, I have developed a clear preference for 5 a side rather than 6.
So I concur with Gerard and I am okay to switch to: Capping numbers at 5-a-side and going ahead 4-a-side if we are short, at $11 per player
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Post by Khalid on Aug 25, 2017 16:29:44 GMT 8
I vote for 5 aside just because we can run more. Rajiv thanks for arranging all of this . You do a great job
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Post by Vincenzo on Aug 25, 2017 18:28:37 GMT 8
Being a new member and pretty ignorant about the history from the 5 or 6 games that I have now played, I have developed a clear preference for 5 a side rather than 6. So I concur with Gerard and I am okay to switch to: Capping numbers at 5-a-side and going ahead 4-a-side if we are short, at $11 per player |
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Post by Vincenzo on Aug 25, 2017 18:29:20 GMT 8
I prefer 5 vs 5
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Post by Rajiv on Oct 29, 2017 10:33:11 GMT 8
The poll is evenly poised at 5:4:  I'll cap numbers at 10 for now, unless there is a drastic shift in the poll. |
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Post by Maarten on Oct 29, 2017 18:23:42 GMT 8
5 a side for me.. more running required 😀
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Post by Rajiv on Aug 11, 2019 13:34:42 GMT 8
The Tuesday night game at Grandstand was switched from the covered small pitch at Premier Pitch to the uncovered 6-a-side pitch at Rainforest with effect from August 2018, so since then, there has been no issue of whether to play 5 or 6-a-side on the covered small pitch at Grandstand. I have moved the Thursday night game to a covered small pitch at the Premier Pitch @ Grandstand for August 2019. From the "Payments, credits, penalties & usage" thread: As set out above, I have been bearing the increases in the pitch prices for the covered pitches at the Premier Pitch @ Grandstand since February 2018 (1.5 years!!!). .... With effect from the game scheduled for 17 Aug 2019, the price per player ... will be increased by $1. .... This means that going forward, the price per player will be a follows for the various venues: ....
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The state of the original poll was as follows:  I have replaced the poll to reflect the new prices. |
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Post by Rajiv on Oct 13, 2019 19:55:07 GMT 8
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Post by Rajiv on Oct 13, 2019 20:52:29 GMT 8
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