Individual skills, attributes & positions
Posted by Rajiv Feb 27, 2011 11:04:50 GMT 8
Post by Rajiv on Feb 27, 2011 11:04:50 GMT 8
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The issue of taking turns in goal has been raised again:
Might be worth reminding everyone of one of the points under 'Playing Rules & Principles' tho this is not in particular reference to Thursday.
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The players in each team take turns in goal. It’s the only break you get! Unless a player volunteers to spend more time in goal, everyone should spend a similar amount of time in goal. The goalkeeper can come out of the "D" but can only handle the ball within the "D". Other players can enter the D."
Everyone makes the trip down looking forward to a good game of workout and fun. Everyone.
So let's all take turns being in the goal so EVERYONE can have a taste of the fun yeah?
One suggestion giffas.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=admin&thread=616&post=6567 was made before by Justin.
I'm not sure how everyone else feels but I think this will set the right tone for the game, and newcomers will learn the right goalie attitude from the example set by the players.
My 8 cents' worth. ;D
Earlier, I had summarized the position:

To re-produce the discussion from November 2008:
17 November 2008 at 11:58 am, Gilbert L wrote:
17 November 2008 at 2:39 pm, Rajiv (admin), wrote:
24 September 2009 at 5:15 pm, Rajiv (admin) wrote:
As cited above, taking turns in goal has been part of the rules and principles for some time.
I'll include a reminder with the line ups for now.
I included a reminder for a couple of games, but what with suggesting line ups, and, for 7-a-side games at Sports Planet, checking on the weather, implementing prepayment , and arranging to collect from those who haven't prepaid, I've overlooked the reminder in several games since then.
The rules expressly provide:
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* The players in each team take turns in goal. It’s the only break you get! Unless a player volunteers to spend more time in goal, everyone should spend a similar amount of time in goal. ....
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Each schedule thread includes the statement:
Justin's suggestion:
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-Everyone is assigned a slot to get in goal.
-Use the team allocation as the list. For eg.:
Whites: Rai (0-10mins), Hail (10-20mins), Stephen (20-30mins), Bryan F (30-40mins), Eugene (40 - 50mins), Stan (50-60mins), Jason M (60-end of game)
Reds: Andre (0-10mins), Lloyd (10-20mins), Justin (20-30mins), Nick H (30-40mins), Kumar (40 - 50mins), Gilbert L (50-60mins), Niel L (60-end of game)
This slotting arrangement will definitely not and should not be "enforced" but serves as a guide and reminder that everyone needs to be in goal. Players can at least ask, "who has not been in goal yet?"
Players should obviously still go in goal even if they've already "served their sentence" if they get out of breath...
It's just a suggestion. I do not wish to detract anyone from having fun. But lets not have fun at the cost of someone else sacrificing theirs...
I don't believe Justin was suggesting more detailed rules. Anyway, more detailed or technical rules are usually not helpful, and detract from the enjoyment of the activity. The rules serve a simple function:
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The rules are geared towards keeping the game flowing while reducing the risk of injury and are intended to accommodate different styles of play.
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More important is playing in the right spirit.
I'll try to remember to include a reminder about everyone taking turns in goal when suggesting line ups. If I overlook it, any regular can post a reminder on the schedule thread before the game.
If a consensus can be reached amongst those playing in a game on a method of ensuring the rule is complied with, all the better.
Over the years, there have been a few wrist and finger injuries sustained by players in goal.
Perhaps a discussion on how to minimize the risk of such injuries would also be useful, and perhaps address one of the concerns some players have about going in goal. Safety is always an issue.
On the other hand, I don't think the risk of wrist and finger injuries while in goal are any greater than the risk of injury while playing outfield. Any sport carries the risk of injury. The aim is to reduce the risk, even if it is impossible to eliminate it.
Perhaps some players don't have the confidence to play in goal. Our games are an opportunity to work on our weaknesses, including lack of confidence.
If any player is reluctant to go in goal because he believes he is too good or valuable an outfield player to go in goal, then he is mistaken, and not playing in the right spirit. In any event:
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None of us are great players, for if we were, we should be asking ourselves why we are playing here rather than at a high level in the professional game.
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We can discuss any other concerns or issues about taking turns in goal on this thread.
(Note: Previously entitled "Taking turns in goal")
As the subject matter has been modified from time to time, as described in various posts below, any given post may not fall squarely within the subject matter. As at 17 February 2014, this first post on this thread was:


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The players in each team take turns in goal. It’s the only break you get! Unless a player volunteers to spend more time in goal, everyone should spend a similar amount of time in goal. The goalkeeper can come out of the "D" but can only handle the ball within the "D". Other players can enter the D."
Everyone makes the trip down looking forward to a good game of workout and fun. Everyone.
So let's all take turns being in the goal so EVERYONE can have a taste of the fun yeah?

One suggestion giffas.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=admin&thread=616&post=6567 was made before by Justin.
I'm not sure how everyone else feels but I think this will set the right tone for the game, and newcomers will learn the right goalie attitude from the example set by the players.
My 8 cents' worth. ;D
Earlier, I had summarized the position:

To re-produce the discussion from November 2008:
17 November 2008 at 11:58 am, Gilbert L wrote:
To my knowledge, most of us are outfield players and do not excel at our goalkeeping duties. We do not clock much airtime in between the posts (besides Sze Kuan). In fact, most shun this position as we are afraid of injuring our fingers or only assume this role when we get too tired running around. But in reality, the goalkeeper (in my opinion) is the most important player as he has the responsiblity to keep the opposition from scoring. Defenders can effectively keep opposing players from entering the D but when a shot is released, the goalie has to deal with it. I think one of the reasons for the recent high scoring games is that our goalies are not able to deal with the ever increasing technical skills of strikers.
17 November 2008 at 2:39 pm, Rajiv (admin), wrote:
I know Clive is in favour of everyone serving equal periods in goal. He raised it with me earlier in the year, and brought a stop clock along for the next session!
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For now, I’d rather leave the method of substituting goalkeepers to the teams themselves ....
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For now, I’d rather leave the method of substituting goalkeepers to the teams themselves ....
24 September 2009 at 5:15 pm, Rajiv (admin) wrote:
Neil S raised with me today that some players seem to spend more time in goal than others, and whether each player should have a fixed time in goal.
I’d rather leave it to the teams themselves. However, unless a player volunteers to spend more time in goal, everyone should take turns in goal. It’s highlighted under [the rules].
I’d rather leave it to the teams themselves. However, unless a player volunteers to spend more time in goal, everyone should take turns in goal. It’s highlighted under [the rules].
As cited above, taking turns in goal has been part of the rules and principles for some time.
I'll include a reminder with the line ups for now.
I included a reminder for a couple of games, but what with suggesting line ups, and, for 7-a-side games at Sports Planet, checking on the weather, implementing prepayment , and arranging to collect from those who haven't prepaid, I've overlooked the reminder in several games since then.
The rules expressly provide:

* The players in each team take turns in goal. It’s the only break you get! Unless a player volunteers to spend more time in goal, everyone should spend a similar amount of time in goal. ....
....
Each schedule thread includes the statement:
Please read the General Information and Playing Rules & Principles posts first. Your participation in our games depends on it.
Justin's suggestion:

....
-Everyone is assigned a slot to get in goal.
-Use the team allocation as the list. For eg.:
Whites: Rai (0-10mins), Hail (10-20mins), Stephen (20-30mins), Bryan F (30-40mins), Eugene (40 - 50mins), Stan (50-60mins), Jason M (60-end of game)
Reds: Andre (0-10mins), Lloyd (10-20mins), Justin (20-30mins), Nick H (30-40mins), Kumar (40 - 50mins), Gilbert L (50-60mins), Niel L (60-end of game)
This slotting arrangement will definitely not and should not be "enforced" but serves as a guide and reminder that everyone needs to be in goal. Players can at least ask, "who has not been in goal yet?"
Players should obviously still go in goal even if they've already "served their sentence" if they get out of breath...

It's just a suggestion. I do not wish to detract anyone from having fun. But lets not have fun at the cost of someone else sacrificing theirs...
I don't believe Justin was suggesting more detailed rules. Anyway, more detailed or technical rules are usually not helpful, and detract from the enjoyment of the activity. The rules serve a simple function:

The rules are geared towards keeping the game flowing while reducing the risk of injury and are intended to accommodate different styles of play.
...
More important is playing in the right spirit.
I'll try to remember to include a reminder about everyone taking turns in goal when suggesting line ups. If I overlook it, any regular can post a reminder on the schedule thread before the game.
If a consensus can be reached amongst those playing in a game on a method of ensuring the rule is complied with, all the better.
Over the years, there have been a few wrist and finger injuries sustained by players in goal.
Perhaps a discussion on how to minimize the risk of such injuries would also be useful, and perhaps address one of the concerns some players have about going in goal. Safety is always an issue.
On the other hand, I don't think the risk of wrist and finger injuries while in goal are any greater than the risk of injury while playing outfield. Any sport carries the risk of injury. The aim is to reduce the risk, even if it is impossible to eliminate it.
Perhaps some players don't have the confidence to play in goal. Our games are an opportunity to work on our weaknesses, including lack of confidence.
If any player is reluctant to go in goal because he believes he is too good or valuable an outfield player to go in goal, then he is mistaken, and not playing in the right spirit. In any event:

None of us are great players, for if we were, we should be asking ourselves why we are playing here rather than at a high level in the professional game.

....
We can discuss any other concerns or issues about taking turns in goal on this thread.
(Note: Previously entitled "Taking turns in goal")